Monday, November 10, 2008

This One's For You And Your White Trash BBQ

ah, bizarre title i know. it was spawned by this comment (from someone calling themself, whitetrashbbq) which i received on my pre-election post about the frightening possibility (which has now become a reality) of obama becoming the next president of the united states.

What rock have you been living under? We've lost more rights and freedoms under bush than under all the previous administrations combined.

Thank God Obama won. It's time for sanity again. There's hope in the land again.

God bless and protect President Obama!

well, first to address the rock issue. what rock have i been living under? a very nice one where i'm free to practice my religion, educate my children and not be dependent upon government handouts...uh, i mean, control my every move...i mean help me. a rock that has as it's leader someone who believes in the rights of the unborn and has helped to restore a little of dignity to the value of a human life. and a rock where the leader doesn't consider a baby, who as the consequence of a "botched" abortion is still alive, as something to be thrown in the garbage and allowed to die there without consolation or medical assistance. this baby mind you, could be of a very viable age (witnessed by the survivors of abortion we have seen speaking out recently). i also love the fact that my rock isn't a place where i am forced to watch my taxes go directly into the coffers of planned parenthood to pay for them to "counsel" women into killing their babies, or as they call them "nameless clumps of tissue." and i see it as quite a fringe benefit of my life under the rock that hospitals and doctors who also oppose abortion are not forced to provide this procedure or risk being sued, fined or worse. so there's the intro to my neighborhood.

now, do you mind if i ask you a question? what rights and freedoms do you believe we have lost under the bush administration? if you are speaking of things like partial birth abortion and stem cell's a moot issue with me and one that isn't worth trying to convince me otherwise. it can never be a right to kill another human being, pure and simple. our lives and the lives of others are not in our power to end or dispose of. both instances are killing and that is something that cannot be legislated. do any amount of research of scientific findings and you will see they are indeed doesn't matter that they aren't out here walking around yet. to deny this is to deny pure and scientific fact and a display of pure ignorance. this is what mr. obama displays when he states that knowing when human life begins is "above his pay grade." i call it ignorance while giving him the benefit of the doubt. but while looking at all of the speeches he has delivered to planned parenthood and others...i think it's more of trying to make up something to cover up an answer you don't really want to give because it would expose how revolting the whole thing actually is.

if you have other rights or freedoms that you believe we have lost...go ahead. i'm listening. but under all the previous administrations combined? wow, that's forty one other administrations (if my counting is correct considering grover cleveland is counted as the 22nd and 24th, but if you want to count both of his separately, we're at 42). i can't possibly see how george w. bush did more damage to the american people in eight years than a whole slew of other men did in approximately two hundred and eleven years. those are awfully big shoes to fill. but according to wikipedia, he is five foot eleven, so i guess he could have a pretty large shoe size...but anyway.

and just a little note, before i'm ordained as one...i'm not a george w. bush fanatic. am i crazy about everything he has done? nope. do i think he was the greatest president who ever lived? probably wouldn't get my vote. but, do i appreciate the small steps he has made to protect the dignity of all human life? yes, definitely. and while we're at it...i'm not some do or die mccain freak either. would he have been my choice for president if i could pick anyone in this world? no. but, in this election he was the only person that was offered to me who had a possibility of defeating the abortion touting, FOCA signing obama. frankly, i would have rather voted for palin instead of mccain, but i wasn't given that option. and before we even travel down the "but she doesn't have any experience" road...yes, she does. in fact, she has more executive experience than obama by a landslide. and for that matter, i don't really give senators that much clout in the legislative end of it i'm calling that contest for her too. does she have the foreign policy experience? no, but either does obama.

and while we're on my favorite pick for the president, if i could choose anyone in the world, it would be this guy. so i guess that trumps the race card that you were possibly thinking of pulling too. let me say this, was i pleased that obama was elected strictly from the standpoint of equality for people of every skin color. yes. i have always said that i don't care if the person is purple with green polka dots as long as he or she stands up for what is right. but i just can't overlook his total disregard for the dignity of the human person. and i really can't understand how he doesn't see this as being an accomplice to the genocide of the african american people. he is acting as planned parenthood's trophy wife despite the fact that planned parenthood was started by this woman. and do you know some of her favorite activities? well, let me enlighten. they go by such happy titles as eugenics, racism, racial cleansing and selective breeding. just to name a few. she also gave popular talks to the ku klux klan and was given rather rave reviews from a not so cute little lad named hitler. and who is 1939 is quoted as saying "We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population?" yep, you've guessed it. the foundress of planned parenthood herself.

so anyway, these are my thoughts. i hope i didn't spoil the bbq, but these are the things that need to be said. i am thanking God that obama won, only for the reason that it has served to strengthen my resolve to fight for those who cannot fight for themselves. and just a sidenote, since the word fight came up, i don't believe that obama can really care for the lives of our soldiers in iraq when he seriously has some issues recognizing the dignity of a human life. but back to my hope. i do have hope. because God is on the throne, not because obama will be on his own personal man made throne in january. i have a messiah, and His name is Jesus Christ. i don't need one of God's own creatures to step in and try to play that part for me. God is in control. the mass readings ever since the election have been telling me that. they have been telling me not to fear and to know that everything works for His purpose and He will work it out. i just need to be strong and fight the good fight. God bless obama? yes, i pray He will...with wisdom and knowledge of the truth. nobody's conversion is too great for the power of God.

st. martin de porres...pray for us.

Holy Mighty your people.


Blogger Mary Ellen Barrett said...


1:52 PM

Anonymous amy said...

good job!

12:27 PM

Blogger WhiteTrashBBQ said...

Wow. So vicious. You must be petrified of President Obama.

Elections and national policy are not a one issue item. To me voting for against someone simply because they don't share your views on one issue is wrong and in my opinion a dereliction of your duty as an American.

I share your views that abortion is the taking of an innocent human life, but until someone can prove to me when life begins, I can not bring myself to support laws forcing a woman to bring an unwanted child to term. I can not in good conscience force my religious views on anyone else.

We simply don't know when life begins. A well respected ORTHODOX Rabbi I know tells me that life begins when the mother can feel the babies movement. (I find that a very interesting definition as I can see many things playing a role in when a mother could feel movement.) A Roman Catholic Bishop would tell me that life begins at conception. A planned parenthood doctor might say when the child is out of the womb and able to sustain life without the use of artificial methods. (I'm speculating on the planned parenthood definition here. I don't know what their official stand is) Who's right? No one really knows.

Even you don't know. You believe. And to me there's a huge difference.

We live in a secular society. I don't want the opinions of any religion dictating the laws of our land. Are you ready for polygamy? How about a burka? Or to loose the rights for woman to be educated or to vote? All of these views are supported by one religious doctrine or another.

Unfortunately too many of the "pro-life" don't care about that life once it leaves the mother's womb. Or for that matter for the life of the mother.

What would you do with the 1.5 million babies that are currently aborted each year if they came to term? How many can you take in?

Too often the "pro-life" candidate supports the death penalty. This inconsistency boggles my mind.

But I'm not looking to change your point of view on abortion, or stem cell research or government or Barak Obama himself. But you need to open your eyes to the world, the entire world around you and see.

Bush was a disaster. He may suppor the rights of the unborn, but once a person is in the world they better look out.

But to address some of your questions and statements about the Bush administration directly...

What rights have we lost under the Bush administration? Well lets see..

THE FREEDOM OF ASSOCIATION: Government may monitor religious and political institutions without suspecting criminal activity to assist terror investigations.

THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION: Government has closed once-public immigration hearings, has secretly detained hundreds of people without charges, and has encouraged bureaucrats to resist public records questions.

THE FREEDOM OF SPEECH: Government may prosecute librarians or keepers of any other records if they tell anyone that the government subpoenaed information related to a terror investigation.

THE RIGHT TO LEGAL REPRESENTATION: Government may monitor federal prison jailhouse conversations between attorneys and clients, and deny lawyers to Americans accused of crimes.

THE FREEDOM FROM UNREASONABLE SEARCHES: Government may search and seize Americans' papers and effects without probable cause to assist terror investigation.

THE RIGHT TO A SPEEDY AND PUBLIC TRIAL: Government may jail Americans (or anyone for that matter simply be declaring them an enemy combatant) indefinitely without a trial.

THE RIGHT TO LIBERTY: Americans may be jailed without being charged or being able to confront witnesses against them.

Shall I go on?

This country is in ruins, economically and morally and we need a change. Is Obama the right man to fix it? Will he do everything right? Who knows, but he is the choice of our nation. Maybe even God's "The authorities that exist have been established by God." (Romans 13)

4:10 PM

Blogger Mary Ellen Barrett said...

Whitetrash you are obviously getting most of your moral/religious/political information from the NYTimes. How sad that your mind doesn't expand to fit the truth.

Voting against someone who does not share your views is not a dereliction of duty but the whole point. I don't see, in reading Heather's posts, that she said that President Elect Obama's policy on slaughtering the unborn is the only issue that she finds repugnant, jut the major issue.

"Catholics" who vote for pro-abortion candidates make themselves complicit in the sin of abortion. If you share the view that abortion is the taking of an innocent life than you and vote to make them easier, cheaper and more accessible you are as guilty as the guy with the scalpel. I am so tired of these "I am personally opposed...blah blah blah idiots. What that means is that you are too cowardly to stand up for your convictions.

As to when life begins. Perhaps you missed biology in high school. Were you in a remedial program? Life begins at conception. Two cells become four, become, eight... all the DNA is there. An embryo is simply a different stage of life, same as toddler, teen or middleaged man with nothing better to do than BBQ stuff. You would be pretty ticked off if a law was passed making it ok to kill middle aged white trash men with too much time on their hands. Just in case you are still in doubt..

"Human development begins after the union of male and female gametes or germ cells during a process known as fertilization (conception).
"Fertilization is a sequence of events that begins with the contact of a sperm (spermatozoon) with a secondary oocyte (ovum) and ends with the fusion of their pronuclei (the haploid nuclei of the sperm and ovum) and the mingling of their chromosomes to form a new cell. This fertilized ovum, known as a zygote, is a large diploid cell that is the beginning, or primordium, of a human being."
[Moore, Keith L. Essentials of Human Embryology. Toronto: B.C. Decker Inc, 1988, p.2]

"Embryo: An organism in the earliest stage of development; in a man, from the time of conception to the end of the second month in the uterus."
[Dox, Ida G. et al. The Harper Collins Illustrated Medical Dictionary. New York: Harper Perennial, 1993, p. 146]

Having had more than a few babies myself I can tell you and your Rabbi friend that babies move long before a mother can feel them. I've had a few 8 week sonograms and watched babies moving with joyful abandon in my womb.

Going to a Planned Parenthood doctor to discuss when life begins is like discussing human rights with a Nazi. They aren't going to do anything but give you the party line. The line that makes them in the neighborhood of $400 million dollars a year.

Like most uninformed and deluded voters you believe abortion is a religous issue. It's not. It's a civil rights issue. Any valid political philosophy HAS to have at it's core that all members of the human race have equal protection under law. At this point in America that is not the case. Unborn children and the terminally ill are considered disposable. Our newly elected president shares this view like no one else in American politics ever has in history. Pretty scary.

As for your assertion that the 1.5 million children that are killed having no place here would you agree with that if we replaced those babies with the 6 million Jews killed in WWII? Your assumption that those of us who are pro-life make no efforts on behalf of those babies who are born is so ignorant it makes me think you might actually be a young teenager. Are you? Any woman who is in a crisis pregnancy need only open the phone book to find a place to go where she would be taken in. A Catholic hospital, Catholic charities or her local parish would help. Many of our brothers and sisters in Christ in the Protestant faith would also help. And in spite of your dopey Rabbi most Orthodox Jewish people are pro-life as well. there are many options for a pregnant woman.

We live in a secular society but the founding fathers made clear in the Constitution that our country was founded on Judeo Christian values and the chipping away at the rights of devout people would scare them to death.

You seem bothered by what you term a loss of rights. You quote the terms of the Patriot Act. I doubt that the Act has impeded your life in one way other than to make you safer. If President Clinton's wishy washy foreign policy hadn't made it possible for this country to be at the mercy of terrorists then it would not have been necessary. As for the economy you can thank your friend Slick Willie again. I refer you to this:

Any right minded fiscally conservative, small government proponent is rightly unnerved by the results of this election. In the midst of the economic and foreign turmoil we now have a radical socialist, abortion worshiping leader whose main concern is chipping away at our freedoms. The Fairness Doctrine is lined up to become law as is his enforced volunteerism for young people. He will sign Executive Orders requiring hospitals to distribute contraceptives which will cause Catholic Hospitals to shut down creating a healthcare crisis as well as a job loss crisis.

He will also tax the living daylights out of the upper middle class and small business owners. You know, those hard working schleps that keep the economy going.

I hope you are as delighted with your choice in 18 months but I seriously doubt it. In the meantime you should stop haunting the blogs of homeschooling mothers thinking you can score off them. We are obviously better informed and more up to date in our political knowledge and you are just making yourself look silly. Go hang out with others of your mindset, you can drink your Kool-Aid together and have a party.

10:00 AM

Blogger WhiteTrashBBQ said...

Insults are the last refuge of the ignorant and the insecure.

What a shame.

7:04 PM

Blogger Mary Ellen Barrett said...

Pithy, very pithy.

4:02 AM


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